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October 14, 2006
Declare Victory and Leave?
Sometime during the Vietnam war Senator George Aiken (R-VT) said that "The best policy is to declare victory and go home." We are getting closer to that point in Iraq. Consider:
* The situation in Baghdad and the Anwar Province doesn't seem to be getting much better. We're holding the country together, but barely. While we don't have a civil war, we do have ethnic cleansing on a wide scale. And while the latest Lancet study to come out of Johns Hopkins may be flawed and politically motivated, no one should dispute that Iraq is in trouble.
* Nevertheless, the Iraqi Army is growing and is a real force. While there are all sorts of problems, before long the Iraqi Army should be able to deal with the situation on it's own. In theory, anyway.
*We've spend a lot of money and time trying to rebuild the country. Yes there has been money wasted, but much also has done much good.
*We've spend much time and effort trying to establish a new government.
*The Democrats stand poised to take one or both houses of Congress. While they are maddenly unclear as to their policies, it is likely that they will try and force a pullout.
* Whoever is elected president in 2008, and from whichever party, it seems likely to me that they will have to run on some sort of plan for ending the war in Iraq. I think it doubtful that a "increase the troop levels and go for broke" message will resonate well. Rather, all or most candidates will offer some plan that in the end calls for a draw-down of US forces.
My bottom line is this: Either the Iraqis are going to pick up the ball and run with it or they're not. We're approaching the point where we've done all that we can do. Politically, we can keep large numbers of troops in Iraq for two more years, but that's probably about it. We still have some time left, I'm not saying that the situation is critical and that we should withdraw now. But it's something we have to think about.
We can't expect the American people to support the war forever. It was one thing to keep troops deployed in Europe after WWII because they weren't actually fighting. Convention wisdom says that elections are about getting the broad middle on your side, and in this case the CW is right. The left will always be against military operations unless they are strictly humanitarian with no national security goals and where noone gets hurt, and the right will always be for them. I don't have any polls in front of me, but you don't have to be a genius to see that the middle is lost or on the way there.
Last night, outside Walter Reed Army Medical Hospital, several of us were speaking with a young soldier (actually he might have been a Marine, I didn't ask). Someone asked him about the situation over there, and he said that we've done just about all we can do for him. One soldiers' perspective, but at this point hardly surprising.
Background: Every Friday night we hold a pro-troops rally outside the hospital and then go inside to meet troops and bring them things. More here.
Dr Sanity, one of my favorite bloggers and a staunch conservative, makes the same point in a post here. She cites a post over at Sigmung, Carl, and Alfred, which says in part
By their actions- or lack thereof- Iraqis will in the end, clearly define themselves and the kind of nation they want for themselves. If they will not act in their own best interests, we cannot force democracy where it is clearly not valued.If democracy is of little value to the Iraqis, we need to leave. That will result in tragedy and great suffering, of course, but the blood of Americans and coalition forces cannot continue to be used to purchase democracy for Iraq.
The people of Eastern Europe did not need to be convinced of the merits of free societies over tyrannies. We must be prepared to face the reality that much of the Arab world will remain backward for a very long time, incapable of understanding how free governments are always better than oppressive ones. While there is nothing we can do about that, we can hope that the next generation, or the one after that, will see more clearly.
The tragedy is that yet another generation of Arabs will be lost to dysfunction and neglect. The greater tragedy is that most of them don’t even know it. That said, we must always remind them that America and the free world will be there for them when they call.
Some will say that Islam and democracy are fundamentally incompatible. I suspect that an observer might have said that about Christianity 1000 years ago. It's probably more the case that the process is just going to take a long time, and Western politics thinks in months or years, not decades and centuries.
Indeed, I suspect that someone transported back to just about anywhere in the United States not even 100 years ago would despair that Jim Crow would ever be conquered. However our expedition in Iraq works out, I think that at some point Islam will reform and that part of the world will see some sort of liberty and freedom.
No Hurried Withdrawal
Be all this as it may, it seems to me that we're closer to the end of our deployment in Iraq than we are at it's beginning. Second, either the Iraqis will make something of their country or they'll let it degenerate into more and more ethnic violence.
The Democrats were surely wrong when they demanded a date certain by which we would bring our troops out of Iraq. All this would do is telegraph a message to all of the terrorists and militias that if they just laid low until that date certain, they could light up the sky once we were gone. Rather, our policy should probably be to make it clear to the Iraqis that we won't be there forever and that they need to get their act together.
Whether any of us like this situation or not is not particulary relevant. It seems to me that it is being or will soon be forced on us by political conditions here at home.
Put Them On Notice
I certainly hope that the Bush Administration has privately notified senior members of the Iraqi government that they can't expect us to stay there for much longer. As I said earlier, we can probably keep large numbers of troops in Iraq for another 2 years, but if the situation doesn't improve the politics will demand a withdrawal. It would be a mistake to establish or publish a timetable, but we have to get the concept through to them that we won't be around forever.
Update
Via Powerline, RightWingNutHouse is talking about an article in the New York Sun in which James Baker, Secretary of State under Bush 41 and now a sometime adviser to Bush 43, is allegedly planning to recommend pretty much what Senator Aiken did 35 years ago. From the Sun
A commission formed to assess the Iraq war and recommend a new course has ruled out the prospect of victory for America, according to draft policy options shared with The New York Sun by commission officials.Currently, the 10-member commission — headed by a secretary of state for President George H.W. Bush, James Baker — is considering two option papers, "Stability First" and "Redeploy and Contain," both of which rule out any prospect of making Iraq a stable democracy in the near term.
More telling, however, is the ruling out of two options last month. One advocated minor fixes to the current war plan but kept intact the long-term vision of democracy in Iraq with regular elections. The second proposed that coalition forces focus their attacks only on Al Qaeda and not the wider insurgency.
Instead, the commission is headed toward presenting President Bush with two clear policy choices that contradict his rhetoric of establishing democracy in Iraq. The more palatable of the two choices for the White House, "Stability First," argues that the military should focus on stabilizing Baghdad while the American Embassy should work toward political accommodation with insurgents. The goal of nurturing a democracy in Iraq is dropped.
As Rick Moran of RightWingNutHosue notes, it looks like "the Baker Commission, as it is coming to be called, was set up for the sole and exclusive purpose of giving both Republican and Democratic politicians cover for our retreat from Iraq." This commission, like so many others, has noone with real military experience on it. Here's the list. With the sole exception of William Perry, President Clinton's Secretary of Defense, not a one of them is qualified to advise on military matters (neither am I, but I'm a hack blogger, not sitting on a highbrow commission).
Perhaps so. It must also be stressed that like so many others the Sun story is based on unnamed "sources", which makes its accuracy hard to judge.
The "Baker Commission" will not release its report until after the November elections.
Moran also accurately notes that if this is accurate, then Baker's plan "is a recipe for defeat and retreat. No amount of spin will change the fact that once we leave Iraq, the entire world will see that our enemies in Iran and Syria as well as al-Qaeda were successful in inflicting enough pain on the American people to cause our precipitous withdrawal."
Exactly. The President, however, may have other ideas. From the Sun
The president also said he was not averse to changing tactics. But he repeated that the strategic goal in Iraq is to build "a country which can defend itself, sustain itself, and govern itself." He added, "The strategic goal is to help this young democracy succeed in a world in which extremists are trying to intimidate rational people in order to topple moderate governments and to extend the caliphate."But the president's strategic goal is at odds with the opinion of Mr. Baker's expert working groups, which dismiss the notion of victory in Iraq. The "Stability First" paper says, "The United States should aim for stability particularly in Baghdad and political accommodation in Iraq rather than victory."
If the Sun story is accurate, let's hope that the President has the strength not to take his advice. He's going to need it, because the Democrats, probably crowing from a November victory, are going to demand a withdrawal. As Powerline correctly observed the other day, "Not since the middle of the Civil War has either major political party been as intellectually and morally bankrupt as today's Democrats." For all of our troubles in Iraq, we can't let them, or James Baker, seize control of events.
Posted by Tom at October 14, 2006 12:14 PM
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Great assessment Tom. I am really glad we have moved pass this rhetoric of “stay the course” and don’t “cut and run.” You bring up the very valid point that providing a date is stupid, because it gives the enemy an exact date of when they have succeeded. Better to keep them guessing when (and if) we finally have had enough propping up a failed state and decide that Iraq will not be the “stepping stone to democratizing the middle east” and has instead turned into some kind of ill-defined mission with no foreseeable end.
As the breakup of Iraq looms, it will be key to watch the Kurds (and their fellow PKK separatists, identified by the US as terrorists in Turkey) and how they play their powerful cards (strong ethnic miltia, the pesh merga, and occupation of an oil rich region) since they have been oppressed for so long and are undoubtedly our strongest allies in the region. Will they seek separation and how will Turkey respond?
I will be interested to see James Baker’s report, you can’t say he isn’t qualified; he was Sec of State for Bush Sr. and was on Reagan’s National Security Council. After his performance in Gore vs. Bush at the Supreme Court (which made him reviled by liberals for years), it would be safe to say James Baker III didn’t just fall off of the ‘loony left’ turnip truck.
…has either major political party been as intellectually and morally bankrupt as today's Democrats."
Of course, when you make statements like this, I just can’t let this go unchallenged. Are you actually implying that Tom Foley, Bob Ney, Duke Cunningham and Tom Delay are all “intellectually and morally” superior to an 82nd airborne
l"> Captain who earned bronze star in Iraq simply because of his party affiliation, therefore he is “intellectually and morally bankrupt”, while Tom “Teen Stud” Foley is some kind of role model? What a load of crap.
Posted by: jason at October 16, 2006 3:52 PM
Posted by: jason at October 16, 2006 3:58 PM
OK, it worked in the preview, here is the raw link:
http://www.murphy06.net/index.php
Posted by: jason at October 16, 2006 4:00 PM
Thank you for your comments, jason.
My point in this post was not that I think that we should just "declare victory and leave", because I don't, but rather that this is what is likely to happen. I have not reached a decision as to what to do. I think you'll remember the post where we talked about options.
You are right, James Baker and William Perry have experience, so I take that part back. That makes 2 out of 9. The others are Robert M. Gates, Vernon E. Jordan, Jr., Edwin Meese III , Sandra Day O'Connor, Leon E. Panetta, Charles S. Robb, and Alan K. Simpson. Gates was CIA so he's qualified for that part. But why are Jordan, Meese, and O'Conner members? Political cover.
I guess I just don't trust these "blue ribbon" bipartisan commissions. It's just my cynical side. You're obviously much more optimistic. Believe you me, I hope you're right! bty, when they do issue their report do me a favor and remind me if you will. I'll probably catch it in the news but in case I don't let me know.
My point on the Democrats was a generic one. Certainly individuals in both parties have their moral failures, just as there are fine and upstanding people in both parties. But let's get over this notion that just because someone served in Vienam or wherever that makes them experts for life on all military matters. I'll give you this, at least you didn't use Jack Murtha for your example, because then I'd have really gone off! It's bad enough that we in the GOP have to put up with McCain a guy with an ego bigger than everyone else in our party combined.
bty, do you live in Pennsylvania then? Where Patrick Murhpy is running?
I don't want to spend a lot of time here, but among the things that bug me about these modern Democrats are all their initial statements that "oh yeah we're sure that Saddam has WMD!" and then later "oh did we say that? Uh, we were misled, yeah, that's it!". Grrr. Then there's people like Kerry telling us that we need a big grand coalition before military action could be taken. Except that we had this grand coalition in 1991 and he still voted against the Gulf War. They're for the war when it's popular, and against it when it's not. They have absolutely no ideas and no agenda other than to be against whatever Bush is for. Like Powerline I compare them to the Civil War Copperheads.
But thats just me.
bty, don't sweat the links, leave them however you can. I have the advantage of being able to edit my comments when I screw up - which I did here a few times ! LOL.
Posted by: Tom the Redhunter at October 16, 2006 9:42 PM
OK, good discussion.
I’m not sure where I gave the impression these bipartisan commissions make me optimistic. I don’t have a very optimistic view on Iraq, which is what they are studying. Politics aside, what could happen in Iraq may be very, very bad for our country (pull out or no pull out) and the more information we have as a country the better. My biggest concern is that the Shi’ite region will become like Iran junior with lots of oil, either through a civil war or through legitimate elections and late night death squad visits to opponents (kind of like “democracy” in Russia). This commission, and the hinted at ‘realism’ of their conclusions, seems like an attempt to try to stem the bleeding from the somewhat messy situation in Iraq. I found the 9/11 commission very informative, but I also think it was a political whitewash as well that was way to soft on the Saudis and people in our government who are too close to the Saudi oil cashbox and don’t want that relationship harmed. How’s that for crackpot view?
The other issue is how the Democrats have acted as a. opposition party (read: minority, aka powerless). As an opposition party, you try to throw a lot of sh!t and hope some of it sticks, then you get in power, fvck up, and the other guy gets his turn.
The most interesting parallel I can draw to the lackluster Democrats is the conservative Tories in Britain. The UK is in Iraq because of Tony Blair. The Tories have had no luck gaining any traction, and have been the minority opposition for a while. The war is unpopular now, so they are going after Tony Blair for the Iraq war. Now you and I both know they are not a bunch of anti-war peaceniks, who want to hold hands and give peace a chance. But they are trying to get something to stick so they can beat the Labor Party. As such, they come up with an incoherent strategy (anti-war conservatives?) that can be boiled down to wait until the other guy is unpopular, try to blame him for something and make him look like a dolt. Sounds similar to what the Democrats are doing right now. Of course, the Foley thing is beyond our wildest dreams. As you once said, the Democrats control nothing, and have had little or no say in developing our current policies. As such, this will most likely be a referendum on Bush, which is why there is all the chatter on the Dems winning the House or whatever.
Tony Blair was facing isolation over Iraq last night after the Conservatives welcomed calls from the Army's most senior officer for British troops to be withdrawn "sometime soon" and a cross-party alliance of MPs demanded an emergency debate in Parliament.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/14/nirq14.xml
Btw, I'm not from Penn, I heard Murphy on a radio show and he sounded like Paul Rieckhoff.
Posted by: jason at October 17, 2006 2:40 AM



