The Redhunter

Don't be brainwashed by FOX News propaganda.

Be a man, not a sheep.

Hmmm. I read that poll to mean that 5% of those polled were willing to lie about their party affiliation if it would make Republicans look bad.

I would like to see all the questions posed and their sequencing. The question you cite may be the relevant one but to understand the answers to it, b/c this is a poll, I think you need the entire context.

As trackpack pings remarked, one shoul be wary of ant Fox News poll given the partisan nature of that organization,

Tom, that 31% of AMERICANS think it would be better to lose this war, is the figure that disturbs me the most. Who can I blame? 1) public education 2) media compliance 3) liberal bastions on campii all over America 4) (and mostly to my chagrin) my generation, i.e., the so-called "baby boomers" who have become "gimme freaks"! I am disgusted by a huge portion of my own generation. I "dropped out" and became a cowgirl, instead of a peacenik at the end of the 60's because it disgusted me then. I had hoped they would have grown up by now. I believe it's the Mary Jane influence, their brains have atrophied.

What am I missing? I Googled "Fox News Poll September 25" and found the poll and its results and did not see the question above.

Loop Garoo Kid; follow the link at the top of my post and it will take you to the poll.

And don't play the "out of context" game. It makes no sense at all to claim that the other questions influenced the answer to this one. If you want to claim that Fox is biased, fine, but a question is a question and an answer an answer. You can't spin your way out of this one.

Further, while I would say that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, and PBS are biased to the left, it would not be valid for me to dismiss one of their polls on that basis alone.

Dagney, you're reading the poll a bit wrong. The average between Republicans, Democrats, and Independents is 11%. The average "No" was 73%, and "Don't know", 16%.

Snake Hunters Sez,

Tom,
Anyone that mentions Fox News Channel As One Source For Info any subject, you'll get hysterical moans,
screeches and whining! It's Curious that they cannot find fault with
Brit Hume, Shep Smith, or John Gibson, because these Fox reporters represent the finest of Tv Journalism,
along w/CNN's Lou Dobbs. They've all earned their Top Ratings. The LeftOfCenter crowd preferring
the lowest ranked MSNBC's Keith Olberman and "Hard(Left)Ball", Chris Matthews!
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With that truism, they choose an easier target to
throw their sarcastic verbal grenades at....

Whistle-blower Bill O'Reilly. Another Top Rating! He galls'em when he accurately goes after the gross/biased
liberal print media, the weak-minded judges that return child-predators to the streets, with 90 day sentences
or probation, and exposes the Sleazy Hate Merchants like MoveOnDotTrash, Daily(Crash)Kos, or
Media(Mud)Matters. They'll never forgive 'Dubya' for beating Sen John Kerry in 2004.

'Fair, Balanced, and Unafraid' Bugs 'Em!
You will hear more of this muffled hatred as we
get further into the election process. reb

I am still have source difficulties. IF I Google, I get questions 1-26. If I follow the link, I get questions 40-44.

I would like to read questions and answers 27-39, particularly in consideration of the segue from the question at isse to ones about prayer.

Ok, I don't know what you're doing wrong, but here's the link in full
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299374,00.html

But you're playing a game, kid, and it's a dumb one. It doesn't matter what the other questions were. This one question stands by itself; there's no "context" that changes things. If you can't accept the truth that's your problem.

Tom,

Same problem. The link which I typed was the same as that I follwed from your post. It sends me to the Fox news article dated 10.04.07 which has a link to the poll results beneath the second paragraph, to the right of the photo of the American soldier and the boy in the red T-shirt.

The link in the article gives Q and A #40 (the question at issue) through #43.

I have found the poll on line elsewhere, but only questions #s 1 through 26. My question remains, how do I find Q's and A's #s 27-39?

I am a practicing trial attorney. I read the documents and form my own opinion.

In my opinion, Fox News is a highly politicized organization. Whereas some, like my friend reb the SH, tend to treat Fox News as Gospel, I do so treat any information and usually try and verify any information upon which I may base an opinion.

Regards.

Ok, I see what you're saying now about the link, LGK. I apologize that I misunderstood you earlier and let my frustration show. I don't know where the rest of the poll is either.

But you haven't made clear what difference it makes. The other questions could be about anything under the sun and phrased in any way conceivable and it wouldn't make any difference.

I must chuckle when you say that "Fox News is a highly politicized organization". I hope you're not saying that NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, and PBS aren't. Not to mention the NYT or WaPo. They're all politicizied to some extent. Liberals tend to think that Fox is the most biased, and conservatives tend to think CNN, PBS, etc are the most biased.

I think that the best thing to do is read as many news sources as you can, understand the bias of each, and adjust accordingly. On this blog you'll find posts that use a wide variety of news sources, including each of the ones mentioned above. I don't take Fox or any of them as Gospel.

Tom,

I am certainly not suggesting that the news outlets to which you referred are not politicized.
I have come to think of them like flavores. You listen to/watch/read this particular one, you should expect chocolate; or vanilla; or whatever.

The aspect of Fox News that I have observed in its fans, for lack of a better word, is that if one considers it to be chocolate, all the people who watch it mainatin it isn't chocolate at all but tutti frutti.

W/ respect to the poll, the answer to the question seems so on beyond whacky that I figure I should read the whole thing to determine if there is some explanation, particularly in consideration of the fact that no one I know, from whatever part of the political spectrum, would have answered the question that way.

I am not a great beleiver in conspiracy theories but I ask why can't I find the missing questions?

Regards.

I wish I could say I am shocked, or even surprised. But the fact is that many people today do not see America as special or worthy of supporting let alone defending. In our culture of moral relativism all things are equal, including nations and ideologies. I once worked at a museum where I developed a lecture for local middle and high schoolers about the men and women from the hometown who served in the military and on the homefront during WWII; including Battaan survivors, POWs and more than a half dozen who never returned. I was absolutely floored when the first time I presented it and asked for questions a student raised her hand and asked if any Japanese-Americans from the town had been put in prison camps! They had been conditioned to see only the negative about America and not its greatness. Well, I used the opportunity to do a little lecturing about the Japanese treatment of the Chinese. Not long after that I was mentioning the program to a teacher who asked if the museum offered any programs that could tie into the Character Counts curriculum. The teacher was offended and said kids should not be taught to look up to anyone who resorted to violence. Instead he suggested Cezar Chavez as a better role model than US soldiers.

Snake Hunters Sez,

Tom,
It's helpful learn early on, to adjust to Loop Garoo. He believes that O'Reilly is a Far-Right Wing-Nut,
and his nice-looking Megyn Kelly (sarcastically) is nothing more than "eye candy" (Loop's words).
Fox Cable News has the funds and the inclination to get the finest Journalists, with Britt Hume, Shep Smith,
and John Gibson, and the Legal Lady (Kelly) is a Supreme Court Reporter, not just a lollipop.

I do not accept his caricature of myself as one who believes "as gospel" anything on Fox or CNN,
although I do like Lou Dobbs when he goes after Bush on Immigration. LGK tends to be more biased when
discussing George W. Bush. Loop is more often than not 'Far-Left Of Center'...and it shows, when defending
MoveOn's shameful General Petraeus Attack, and The New York Times.
He's pretty good in dealing with Palestine's ugly history!
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Tom ~ Thanks for today's assist with Mohamed! You are A Most-Valued Snake Hunter, anytime. reb
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Boy does this seem fishy. I went to the PDF link that was provided by Fox News and it is like they started in the middle of the story. Why did they not provide a link to the entire study? The breakdown of how they got their sample etc. etc.

Certainly looks like the question was asked in the middle of a religious poll which makes me suspicious. A ton of questions about prayer then, all of a sudden, are you better off if we lose the war.

Something is not right.

HAHAHAHAH

Between Loop Garoo and CPTKevin, that makes two libs who are living in denial!

snake hunter's comment:

THE VALUE OF PRAYING IN PUBLIC
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Matthew 6;5 (Red Letter Edition)

End of that subject! reb

I'm with you on the scripture, Ralph E. ;-)

Thank you for sharing the story, Chris. Unfortunately I'm not surprised by it.