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May 16, 2008
Bush in Israel and the Democrat Melt Down
Well well, so Senator Obama and a whole slew of Democrats are all bent out of shape over what President Bush said in Israel. Here's the part of his speech before the Knesset yesterday that has them all in a tizzy:
Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: "Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided." We have an obligation to call this what it is -- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history. (Applause.)
Note, of course, that no Democrat is actually named. If the currently outraged Democrats had been thinking, they would have issued statements that went something like this:
"One thing all Americans agree on is that appeasement doesn't work. As president, I will engage in tough, principled, and direct diplomacy just like Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan before me. And of course, no American president will engage with terrorists, least of all those who seek to destroy our stalwart ally, Israel. I look forward to celebrating the 65th anniversary of Israel's independence."
But nooooo, they had to all go off and through a big hissy fit.
Senator Obama showed why he'll never be qualified to be president:
I'm a strong believer in civility and I'm a strong believer in a bipartisan foreign policy, but that cause is not served with dishonest, divisive attacks of the sort that we've seen out of George Bush and John McCain over the last couple days
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That's exactly the kind of appalling attack that's divided our country and that alienates us from the world
"Divisive"? This from a senator who's party wants to force "gay marriage" on us through the courts; the most undemocratic branch of government? That is in bed with Movon.org, one of the most "divisive" groups out there? That panders to the nutroots crowd who regularly deride Bush and Cheney in the most vile terms?
Mark Salter nails Obama's M.O.
We have all become familiar with Senator Obama's new brand of politics. First, you demand civility from your opponent, then you attack him, distort his record and send out surrogates to question his integrity. It is called hypocrisy, and it is the oldest kind of politics there is.
Rich Lowry lists Obama's "rules", and what is "off limits"
He can't be called a "liberal" ("the same names and labels they pin on everyone," as Obama puts it); his toughness on the war on terror can't be questioned ("attempts to play on our fears"); his extreme positions on social issues can't be exposed ("the same efforts to distract us from the issues that affect our lives" and "turn us against each other"); and his Chicago background too is off-limits ("pouncing on every gaffe and association and fake controversy").
Should we on the right take Obama up on his stated desire to have an oh-so-clean campaign?
We could take Obama's rules in good faith if he never calls John McCain a "conservative" or labels him in any other way. If he never criticizes him for his association with George Bush. If he doesn't jump on his gaffes (like McCain's 100-years-in-Iraq comment that Obama distorted and harped on for weeks). And if he never says anything that would tend to make Americans fearful about the future or divide them (i.e., say things that some people agree with and others don't).
Oh, and he would have to stop lying about the meaning of Senator McCain's "100 years in Iraq" statement.
Obama's not alone, though, in his whining. Michael Goldfarb, blogging at The Weekly Standard, has usefully compiled a list of reactions. Here's one
(Senator Joe) Biden again did not mince words when discussing Bush's remarks, accusing the president of engaging in "long-distance swiftboating" with his speech in Israel. Biden also cited numerous examples of the Bush Administration reaching out to unfriendly regimes in Libya, North Korea and Iran, arguing that Bush's insinuation that the Democrats were soft on terrorism was "truly delusional ... and truly disgraceful."
The Democrats can sure dish it out but they can't take it.
So What of Appeasement?
The Democrats claim that they're not appeasers of dictators and terrorists. Are they?
Since Senator Obama is the one in the limelight, let's look briefly at his record:
Senator Obama: yesterday "George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists..."Senator Obama November 1, 2007: "I would meet directly with Iranian leaders. I would meet directly with Syrian leaders. "
A quick look at the relevant website for the State Department confirms what we already know
Iran remained the most active state sponsor of terrorism....Since Syria's 1979 designation as a state sponsor of terrorism, it has continued to provide political support to Palestinian terrorist groups.....
What really is the difference between meeting with Hamas, Hezbollah, and the leaders of those who sponsor them? Neither group could survive were it not for their sponsors.
Want more? Here's Obama at one of the Democrat debates last year:
Asked if he would be willing to meet separately "without precondition" during the first year of his administration with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, and North Korea, Obama said, "I would."
Here he is again:
"The notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them...is ridiculous," Sen. Obama said in a debate last year. "One of the first things that I would do in terms of moving a diplomatic effort in the region forward is to send a signal that we need to talk to Iran and Syria."
What's ridiculous is the notion that such a meeting will not be trumpeted as a victory by the Jihadists. What Obama does not seem to realize is that the United States is not just an average run-of-the-mill nation. The President, Democrat or Republican, is not called "the leader of the free world" for nothing. Simply meeting with the President will be interpreted as lending legitimacy to regimes that are illegitimate and worried about it. Dictators, by their very nature, have no real legitimacy. The pseudo-elections in Iran and Venezuela (they probably have them in Syria, Cuba, and North Korea too) change this not at all.
So even if nothing is decided at these "talks", they will be portrayed as a victory by the other side. We can say all we want that no, they're not a victory for Iran/Syria/Cuba/North Korea/Venezuela, but it won't matter. The propaganda organs of our opponents will be out in full force, and in one of Bush's biggest failings he hasn't beefed up ours, so there won't be much of a response.
Not Just Obama
It's not just Sen. Obama who is an appeaser. Kathryn Jean Lopez has helpfully compiled a list of other Democrats the President could have been talking about, such as
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, freelance diplomat, who in December 2007 said: "the road to Damascus is a road to peace."Or, perhaps he meant Speaker Pelosi in April 2007: "I believe in dialogue. As my colleagues have said over and over again, unless you communicate, you cannot understand each other. You cannot reach agreement."
Or maybe he meant recent Obama endorser and former North Carolina senator John Edwards, who, according to his own press release in February of last year, believes "the U.S. should step up our diplomatic efforts by engaging in direct talks with all the nations in the region, including Iran and Syria."
...Or former Democratic presidential candidates and senators Chris Dodd and John Kerry, who met with Syria's al-Assad and said: "As senior Democrats on the Foreign Relations Committee, we felt it was important to make clear that while we believe in resuming dialogue, our message is no different: Syria can and should play a more constructive role in the region ...
Liberals typically bring up the fact that U.S. presidents from Roosevelt to Reagan met with Soviet leaders. This is true, but misleading. These were meetings well scripted out in advance, with little being left to chance. Reykjavik in 1986 was the exception, not the rule.
Further, Obama seems blissfully unaware that unscripted high-level meetings are highly risky. As often as not they backfire. Reykjavik backfired on Gorbachev. Khrushchev sized up Kennedy as a "weakling" in their initial meeting, prompting the former to believe he could get away with sneaking nuclear-armed missiles into Cuba. It's widely thought that Stalin snookered Roosevelt at Yalta. If nothing else, Obama should read Khrushchev's rants at Eisenhower or Nixon during some of their meetings. That alone would give him second thoughts.
So should we not "talk" with these regimes? I hate to sound Clintonian, but it depends on what you mean by "talk". A meeting with an Iranian representative in the back room of the Canadian embassy in Madrid? No problem. President-to-President talks surrounded by thousands of reporters? Hold your horses.
Lastly, in fairness I will say that President Bush's tough talk hasn't extended to the Saudis, who's export of Wahhabism is designed to destroy the West. Also, our dopey Secretary of State has been "pressuring Israel to meet with Hamas representatives". Side
On the upside, Senator John McCain tells it like it is
If Senator Obama wants to sit down across the table with the leader of a nation that calls Israel a stinking corpse--what is it that he wants to talk about with him?
Nothing.
Meaningful negotiations could take place if they stop sponsoring terrorist organizations...those are the preconditions for sitting down with the Iranians.
Exactly right.
Update
This is the guy who wants to negotiate with the dictators of Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, and Cuba (h/t Dagney's Rant)
I'm sure they'll all take him very seriously after he destroys our ability to respond to anything militarily.
What we need to do is spend more money on weapons, not less.
Posted by Tom at May 16, 2008 8:00 PM
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Always wondered why Obama didn't meet with Ahmadinejad when the Iranian president visited Columbia University. Now, why would Obama let a golden opportunity like THAT slip by?
(I'll just go out on a limb and guess that a photo op with a guy who wants to wipe Israel off the map might not have conducive to success in the coming primary season.)
Posted by: The Foreigner at May 17, 2008 1:21 PM
As Shakespeare said, "Methinks thou doth protest too much". I love it when their words come back to bite them in the butt!
Posted by: DagneyT
at May 17, 2008 5:41 PM
Obama said he would “engage in aggressive personal diplomacy”. He did not say he would kiss them on the cheek, hold hands (what Bush does with the Saudi tyrannical royal family), etc. Like Nixon, this could mean sending someone like Kissinger to talk through side channels, not public photos opps. of grown men kissing (Bush & Prince Abdullah)
In terms of the "nutroots crowd who regularly deride Bush and Cheney", we seem to be growing at a surprising rate. Republican congressmen lost special elections in Mississippi, Louisiana and Illinois. The headlines from Rasmussen (a noticeably Republican biased polling group)are as follows:
* 79% of Voters Say U.S. is Heading Down the Wrong Track
* Confidence in War on Terror Falls Sharply
* Democrats Trusted More on All Ten Electoral Issues Tracked by Rasmussen Reports
* Generic Congressional Ballot: Democrats 46% Republicans 41%
* Election 2008 Creating Record Number of Democrats
* Nearly Half of Voters Say America’s Best Days Are in the Past
Posted by: jason at May 18, 2008 6:22 PM
"Obama said he would “engage in aggressive personal diplomacy”."
What bullcrap.
"Aggressive personal diplomacy" is a vapid buzzword that's as empty of meaning as Obama himself.
But since we're here, please explain; how exactly is Obama's "aggressive personal diplomacy" going to be different than anything any other U.S. president, has done? Please lay out for me, word for word what Obama would say to whatever Iranian you want him to talk to. Then tell me the Iranian's probable response,and how again Obama would respond.
I'm serious - do it, word for word, or I'll dismiss this "aggressive personal diplomacy" business as empty words.
The simple fact is that every president from Reagan to Bush 43 has engaged in diplomacy with the Iranians. Republican and Democrat administrations have tried to negotiate with Iran, all to no avail. Michael Ledeen describes the whole sorded history in some detail in his book The Iranian Time Bomb, which I've just read and will review here shortly. Not a single one of these presidents has been successful. Please explain how Obama will succeed where everyone else has failed.
To make matters worse, Obama has said that he will cut every bit of our military - see the video above. He'll also cut-and-run from Iraq, pulling out our troops regardless of consequences. Can anyone actually believe that the Iranians will take him seriously after all this?
Diplomacy with your enemy only works when it's backed by military force.
The rest of your comment, jason, is simply irrelevant to my post. I know you love to criticize Bush's policies with the Saudis; as if the Democrats would do anything differently. And please don't make me remind you I'm as disappointed in this respect as you are.
Lastly the GOP is unpopular has nothing to do with Iran policy, and even if it was, that wouldn't matter either. Right and wrong are not determined by polls.
Posted by: Tom the Redhunter at May 18, 2008 8:27 PM
McCain's manager Salter really does have Obama nailed. He goes out and slimes someone and then calls it an attack when they respond.
Seems to me that in addition to the usual Obama whining, he jumped rather defensively into this. Of course his Obamaton minions are saying he was correct to do this, but I view it as a serious tactical blunder. He created an immense media story on the very point on which he is weakest.
Oh, and I did enjoy hearing Obama and his minions praise Ronald Reagan's diplomacy. But it seems they forgot that there were two sides to the Reagan model of success: Peace Through Strength. It followed the Teddy Roosevelt model of "talk softly but carry a big stick."
And since you included Obama, in his own words, promising massive defense cuts, we can only assume that Democrats intend to through the stick away altogether.
Posted by: Mike's America
at May 18, 2008 11:23 PM
TRH et al.
I think it is important that everyone understand that personal diplomacy w/ Iran and the understanding that the government of Iran is as rational as a rabid dog are not mutually exclusive.
For the most part, the policy of isolation and not not engaging w/ our enemies has not reaped any results. To engage in the metaphor of Crocodile Dundee, our knife is bigger than than Iran's knife.
My thesis at this point is that it is better to engage the Iranians. If any good come of it, so much the better. If not, well as we clasp the hand of Iran w/ one hand, our bigger knife is w/in easy reach.
Regards.
TLGK
Posted by: The Loop Garoo Kid at May 19, 2008 11:26 AM
Jimmy Carter showed us what personal diplomacy with Iran gets us: The Birth of the Islamic Revolution. Osama bin-Ladin stated in his 1996 Fatwa that the lack of resolve by the US in fighting these terrorists provided impetus to their movement. He cited three specific incidents: Lebanon, Aden, and Somalia. Using them to define Americans as cowards. Anyone who thinks one can negotiate with these religious madmen doesn’t understand them. There is little difference between AhMADinejad and Osama. You cannot apply Western thought and belief systems to their attitudes and goals.
Obama will merely be “four more years of Jimmy Carter,” but worse.
Posted by: Winfred Mann at May 19, 2008 2:31 PM
Loop, Bush has negotiated with the Iranians through the Europeans and the IAEA for years. Isn't that what we're supposed to do, "consult with our allies", and all that? It hasn't done any good. You have not given any reason why Obama will do any better.
As I asked jason, what exactly will Obama say that will carry the day?
In fact, every U.S. administration from Carter on has negotiated with them. Stay tuned for my book review of Michael Ledeen's The Iranian Time Bomb.
Posted by: Tom the Redhunter at May 21, 2008 7:28 AM



