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May 21, 2009
Dick Cheney, Barack Obama, and the New York Terror Plot
Former Vice President Dick Cheney delivered an address before the American Enterprise Institute earlier today that is a must watch. At the very least read it in it's entirety, which you can here.
President Obama also gave a a speech today about national security.
The short version is that Cheney gave a responsible address in which he reviewed the issues at hand and reviewed the threat and discussed what the Bush Administration had done to counter it.
Obama acted like a jerk.
First up is our former Vice President
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Read and watch the entire thing, but here's the money quote:
Nine-eleven made necessary a shift of policy, aimed at a clear strategic threat - what the Congress called "an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States." From that moment forward, instead of merely preparing to round up the suspects and count up the victims after the next attack, we were determined to prevent attacks in the first place.We could count on almost universal support back then, because everyone understood the environment we were in. We'd just been hit by a foreign enemy - leaving 3,000 Americans dead, more than we lost at Pearl Harbor. In Manhattan, we were staring at 16 acres of ashes. The Pentagon took a direct hit, and the Capitol or the White House were spared only by the Americans on Flight 93, who died bravely and defiantly.
Everyone expected a follow-on attack, and our job was to stop it. We didn't know what was coming next, but everything we did know in that autumn of 2001 looked bad. This was the world in which al-Qaeda was seeking nuclear technology, and A. Q. Khan was selling nuclear technology on the black market. We had the anthrax attack from an unknown source. We had the training camps of Afghanistan, and dictators like Saddam Hussein with known ties to Mideast terrorists.
These are just a few of the problems we had on our hands. And foremost on our minds was the prospect of the very worst coming to pass - a 9/11 with nuclear weapons.
Yup. It seemed common sense back then that we'd be hit again, and maybe quite soon. We had been caught with such total surprise, and the devastating nature of the attack was something out of a Tom Clancy novel. Indeed, in his 1995 Debt of Honor, a Japanese airline pilot crashes a 747 into the U.S. Capitol building during a state of the union address, killing the president, vice president, and most members of congress. It was an interesting book, but as I read it I thought "that would make a cool movie but it could never happen." 9-11 dispelled such thoughts.
More on what Cheney said, but before that or we go to President Obama, let's review one of the biggest stories of the week; four Muslims were arrested Wednesday for plotting to blow up two New York Synagogues and shoot down military aircraft with Stinger missiles. The story from Fox News:
(F)our domestic terror suspects -- James Cromitie, David Williams, Onta Williams and Laguerre Payen, all of Newburgh, N.Y. -- were arrested late Wednesday after they allegedly planted a 37-pound device that they believed was a bomb in the trunk of a car outside the Riverdale Temple, a synagogue in the Bronx, and two other mock bombs in the backseat of a car outside the Riverdale Jewish Center, another synagogue a few blocks away. They also allegedly planned to shoot Stinger surface-to-air guided missiles at planes at the Air National Guard base in Newburgh, about 70 miles north of New York City.FBI investigators had been monitoring the men and, through an informant, provided them with an inactive (Stinger) missile and inert C-4 explosives, according to the federal complaint filed against the suspects.
Don't think that because the FBI supplied a fake missile that they couldn't have gotten it elsewhere. From the same story
"I don't know if you could buy it on Craigslist, but there's certainly a lot of people who engage in this type of contraband," Steve Emerson, executive director of The Investigative Project on Terrorism, said of the anti-aircraft Stinger missile. "They're not that big, either, so they could've been smuggled into the United States."Emerson said the 5-foot-long weapon, which has a range of 5 miles and weighs 35 pounds fully armed, could have been bought in a number of black arms markets in Middle Eastern countries, including Lebanon, Pakistan, Gaza and Saudi Arabia. The missile system could be purchased for "tens of thousands of dollars," Emerson said.
To be sure, these guys weren't the brightest bulbs. From the AP
The four men were ex-convicts who envisioned themselves as holy warriors, ambitious enough to concoct a plot to blow up synagogues and military planes, authorities said. But they were amateurs every step of the way. They had trouble finding guns and bought cameras at Wal-Mart to photograph their targets. One was a convicted purse snatcher, another smoked marijuana the day the plot was to be carried out.Muslims fueled by hatred of America and Jews, they spent months scouting targets and securing what they thought was a surface-to-air missile system and powerful explosives -- all under the watch of an FBI informant.
But before we get to cocky, let's remember that after the 1993 world trade center attack we laughed when one of the terrorists went back to the rental place to claim his deposit on the truck that had been blown up in the attack. I think we all know who got the last laugh on that one.
They're still out there, folks, and they're trying to get us. Odds are that sooner or later they'll succeed again. Whether or not they're homegrown or imported from the wilds of Waziristan doesn't matter.
Independent Jihad
Muslim terrorists need not be connected to al Qaeda or any other terrorist network to be part of the global jihad. I say this because you can expect this plot to be dismissed in days to come if no connection is found.
In May 2006 a story in the Washington Post describes the career of one Mustafa Setmariam Nasar, who in January of 2005 posted a treatise called "The Call for a Global Islamic Resistance" under the pen name Abu Musab al-Suri on the Internet (I can't find an exact link for the work, but see a description here). From the Post story
Nasar, 47, outlines a strategy for a truly global conflict on as many fronts as possible and in the form of resistance by small cells or individuals, rather than traditional guerrilla warfare. To avoid penetration and defeat by security services, he says, organizational links should be kept to an absolute minimum."The enemy is strong and powerful, we are weak and poor, the war duration is going to be long and the best way to fight it is in a revolutionary jihad way for the sake of Allah," he said in one paper. "The preparations better be deliberate, comprehensive and properly planned, taking into account past experiences and lessons."
Let's also not forget the 2007 JFK Bomb Plot and the Fort Dix "Jersey Jihadists." If we hadn't caught them would have caused untold havoc. Again, one day they're bound to get through our nets.
On to Obama
So what has our President been up to lately? As usual, he blames the Bush Administration for our troubles. In a speech today on national security he said that he inherited a "mess"
I knew when I ordered Guantanamo closed that it would be difficult and complex. There are 240 people there who have now spent years in legal limbo. In dealing with this situation, we do not have the luxury of starting from scratch. We are cleaning up something that is - quite simply - a mess a misguided experiment that has left in its wake a flood of legal challenges that my Administration is forced to deal with on a constant basis, and that consumes the time of government officials whose time should be spent on better protecting our country.
He also pontificates that
After 9/11, we knew that we had entered a new era - that enemies who did not abide by any law of war would present new challenges to our application of the law; that our government would need new tools to protect the American people, and that these tools would have to allow us to prevent attacks instead of simply prosecuting those who try to carry them out.Unfortunately, faced with an uncertain threat, our government made a series of hasty decisions. And I believe that those decisions were motivated by a sincere desire to protect the American people. But I also believe that - too often - our government made decisions based upon fear rather than foresight, and all too often trimmed facts and evidence to fit ideological predispositions. Instead of strategically applying our power and our principles, we too often set those principles aside as luxuries that we could no longer afford. And in this season of fear, too many of us - Democrats and Republicans; politicians, journalists and citizens - fell silent.
What a jerk.
Throwing out the bone that the decisions "were motivated by a sincere desire to protect the American people" is a throwaway line that he clearly doesn't mean. Obama has no respect for anyone but himself. He is sooooooo smart that if he had been president at the time he wouldn't have fallen for the "fear" and of course would have calmly and cooly advised that we were all getting excited over nothing and that there would be no further attacks.
Because he is Obama, and the world will bend to his will. I swear the man believes his own propaganda.
Let's go back to someone who can think responsibly about national security, Dick Cheney. Here's what he said about the likes of Obama and his type in his speech at the AEI:
To make certain our nation country never again faced such a day of horror, we developed a comprehensive strategy, beginning with far greater homeland security to make the United States a harder target. But since wars cannot be won on the defensive, we moved decisively against the terrorists in their hideouts and sanctuaries, and committed to using every asset to take down their networks....(Our strategy) has resulted in serious blows against enemy operations ... the take-down of the A.Q. Khan network ... and the dismantling of Libya's nuclear program. It's required the commitment of many thousands of troops in two theaters of war, with high points and some low points in both Iraq and Afghanistan - and at every turn, the people of our military carried the heaviest burden. Well over seven years into the effort, one thing we know is that the enemy has spent most of this time on the defensive - and every attempt to strike inside the United States has failed....
Our government prevented attacks and saved lives through the Terrorist Surveillance Program, which let us intercept calls and track contacts between al-Qaeda operatives and persons inside the United States. The program was top secret, and for good reason, until the editors of the New York Times got it and put it on the front page. After 9/11, the Times had spent months publishing the pictures and the stories of everyone killed by al-Qaeda on 9/11. Now here was that same newspaper publishing secrets in a way that could only help al-Qaeda. It impressed the Pulitzer committee, but it damn sure didn't serve the interests of our country, or the safety of our people.
In the years after 9/11, our government also understood that the safety of the country required collecting information known only to the worst of the terrorists. And in a few cases, that information could be gained only through tough interrogations....
Yet for all these exacting efforts to do a hard and necessary job and to do it right, we hear from some quarters nothing but feigned outrage based on a false narrative. In my long experience in Washington, few matters have inspired so much contrived indignation and phony moralizing as the interrogation methods applied to a few captured terrorists.
I might add that people who consistently distort the truth in this way are in no position to lecture anyone about "values." Intelligence officers of the United States were not trying to rough up some terrorists simply to avenge the dead of 9/11. We know the difference in this country between justice and vengeance. Intelligence officers were not trying to get terrorists to confess to past killings; they were trying to prevent future killings. From the beginning of the program, there was only one focused and all-important purpose. We sought, and we in fact obtained, specific information on terrorist plans.
Game, Set and Match; Dick Cheney.
Posted by Tom at May 21, 2009 10:00 PM
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Question: Were any of the foiled plotters referenced above motivated to perform these acts because of how we handled the jihadis at Gitmo?
I hear libs like Obama say that Gitmo is a recruitment tool for terrorists and yet I don't recall any terrorists claiming that to be the case. Perhaps there is one or two, but it's absurd to suggest that if we closed Gitmo the terrorists would have a harder time finding recruits.
Good speech by Cheney. I fully understand why Obama tried to step on Cheney's speech by scheduling his at the same time. The more people who hear Cheney the more people will be reminded what it is like to have an adult in the White House.
Posted by: Mike's America at May 22, 2009 12:03 AM
In the real world, presenting one side as 100% correct and the other side as 100% wrong has the real ring of unbelievability.
Considering how easy it is to get into this country undetected; I have to question just how organized, supplied, and determined our enemy is.
It's a know fact that we do not have good security or checking at most of our ports, train depots, bus stations, etc...Our illegal immigration problem proves my point.
Obviously we have enemies who want to kill us, but Obama asks a good question, was it all necessary? Was some of it an overreaction? Could we have done it a different, better, more legal way?
Did YOU really think duck tapping your windows would have saved you from a real terrorist attack? I never did.
Do YOU really believe 100% of what your government tells you? I never do.
Why do we classify these American criminals as some kind of (foreign) terrorists?
When supremacists blew up a government building, we called them bombers, not terrorists.
It's like classifying them as committing a hate crime. Why the attempt to describe them as anything more than any other American nut job, killer, criminals?
The foreigners who were convicted of bombing the trade towers basement in 1993, have been in prisons on American soil for years. There was never a fear voiced then, of putting them in our jails.
Mr. Cheney said that the interrogations were legal. Mr. Cheney said that water boarding was used. Water boarding is illegal, we have signed many different documents (as a country) over decades stating so.
We put to death Japanese soldiers for water boarding our soldiers in WW II.
It's a good talking point to say that Obama can do nothing but blame Bush, but reality is, he was left these problems from the previous administration.
Where we are now, was not from the decisions of President Obama. Where we go in the future, will be.
Posted by: Time at May 22, 2009 1:02 AM
I think it was entrapment. I think our government is taking away a lot of our liberties by trying to scare us about terrorists. This is pretty ridiculous. These guys had to be given this stuff by the Feds - who carried them along. What a set up. The Fed was the brains of this outfit - and that means entrapment.
BTW, I had a number of people tell me for years that 9/11 was not what it appeared. But it was so emotional a thing for me - I wouldn't even listen to them. It was heartwrenching to see the tragedy unfold. I watched replays of those planes flying into those towers again and again and again in September 2001. It was emotional for all of us. And my emotions were immediately translated into, of course, believing the story about the terrorist plot. So, I just wasn't really "open" to look objectively at evidence to the contrary. But, I was always suspicious that immediately Cheney threw the Patriot Act before Congress and demanded they sign it. The Patriot Act is fascist and the destruction of our American liberties. Well, I've just this year studied the matter.
I say try Bush/Cheney for war crimes against the US. Hitler took down the Reichstag (sp?) to gain fascist power. Bush/Cheney work for the Trilateral Commission, CFR, and the Bilderbergs - and they didn't need to be the ones to set up the destruction of our liberties for the next fascist to come along to have those draconian unconstitutional dictatorial powers at his disposal (though they are unconstitutional, imo). It's not a "conspiracy theory". It's fact that can be analyzed, looked at objectively.
Just looking at it openly - to me it's obvious it was an inside job. I suggest you all take a look at it. I no longer believe that Bush was at all a "conservative" or a "Christian". He was something completely different than he pretended to be. He has that in common with Obama.
"Don't trust the government". Those are wide words to follow.
Posted by: laura at May 22, 2009 1:42 AM
I strongly approve of Mr. Bush's decision not to comment publicly on anything so as to give the president "room" to make decisions w/o being second guessed by his predecessor.
I wish Mr. Cheney would go back to his bunker.
So far as the last 8 years are concerned, there are a few things to laud and much to denigrate. One that falls into the latter category was the seeming attitude of our government when it came to foreign policy. Certainly the appearance was like the old joke about sending the telegram that says: "F--- you. Strong letter to follow."
Of course telegrams are a relic of the past.
There is limited utility in discussing the former regime except from a policy standpoint so as to avoid its mistakes and value its successes and from a political standpoint so as to at least give the appearance of building bridges.
Meanwhile, the whole Guantanamo Bay situation is starting to annoy me. I do not care if we shut it down or keep it open. Shutting it down will win more favor points abroad. But hear me oh politicians. You want to shut it down. Then accept its inmates into your sate prisons or federal prisons in your state. No NIMBYism.
Incarcerate them in the supermax in Florence in my home state of CO. It will make Gitmo seem like a day at the beach.
The Loop Garoo Kid
Posted by: tlgk at May 24, 2009 6:51 PM



