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May 19, 2011

There will be no Peace in the Middle East and Obama is an Idiot Part Five Million

In The World Turned Upside Down, British author Melanie Phillips says that one's view of the Middle East is a sure guide to their view of the world. If someone believes that Israel, despite her faults, is generally on the side of what is right, good, and true, and that the Palestinians and Arabs are mostly at fault, that person can be counted on to have a rational view of the world. If, on the other hand, they see Israel as the oppressor, equate it's policies with apartheid, and see the Palestinians as victims, they are almost always "moral and cultural and relativists who invert truth and lies, right and wrong over a wide range of issues, and are incapable of seeing that their beliefs do not accord with reality."

That so many take that latter view is why indeed the world is, as Phillips says, turned upside down. Take today's news:

Obama prods Mideast allies to embrace reform, make peace
The Washington Post
by Scott Wilson
May 19, 2011

President Obama prodded Israel on Thursday to pursue a peace deal with the Palestinians based on boundaries defined more than half a century ago, the first time an American president has articulated such a stance, and urged Arab governments to carry out the democratic reforms their citizens have demanded.
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The president pressed Israel, in unusually frank terms, to reach a final peace agreement with the Palestinians, citing the boundaries in place on the eve of the June 1967 Arab-Israeli War as the starting point for negotiation about borders.

The formulation goes beyond principles outlined by President George W. Bush, who stated during his first term that "it is unrealistic to expect" Israel to pull back to the 1967 boundaries, which were based on cease-fire lines established in 1949. Obama said the negotiations about final borders, which he indicated may include land swaps to accommodate Israel's large settlement blocs, should result in "a viable Palestine, a secure Israel."

Which is completely impossible with an Israel confined to the 1967 borders. If an independent Palestinian state was to be formed, especially one in which Hamas had a role, all we'd end up with is yet another terrorist state dedicated to the eradication of Israel.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu knows this perfectly well. From an Associated Press story carried in the Washington Times today:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday rejected a key aspect of President Obama's Middle East policy speech, saying that a return to his country's 1967 borders would spell disaster for the Jewish state.

In a statement released late Thursday, Mr. Netanyahu called the 1967 lines "indefensible."

I have been to Israel. I stood on a mounaintop on the Golan Heights and looked out into Syria. I went through part of the "West Bank" and saw the so-called "settlements." You don't have to be a military genius to know that it would be pretty easy to overrun the country if you broke through a line or two of defense. And with their rocket arsenals Hizbollah and Hamas can pretty much hit the whole of Israel - weapons Egypt and Syria did not have in 1967 and 1973.

We've heard recently of a "reconciliation" agreement between Fatah/Palestinian Authority and Hamas. If true, this spells a serious shift toward radicalism/Jihadism/rejectionism whatever you want to call it, but it's bad news for Israel.

Jackson Diehl, Deputy Editorial Page Editor of The Washington Post, explains how the Obama Administration and our lovely European "allies" have responded:

Mahmoud Abbas's formula for war
The Washington Post
by Jackson Diehl
May 18, 2011

The Obama administration and its allies appear suitably alarmed by all this. But their principal reaction so far might be summed up as, "Now we really have to put the screws to Netanyahu."

"It's more vital than ever that both Israelis and Palestinians find a way to get back to the table," Obama declared after a meeting with Jordan's King Abdullah on Tuesday. Senior European diplomats who have recently phoned or met with Netanyahu have made clear what that means: Unless he can engage Abbas in negotiations before September, their governments will probably vote for the U.N. declaration of statehood.

Embedded in these demands is what might be called the soft bigotry of wishful thinking about Arab strongmen. U.S. and European leaders indulgently swallow the private assurances they receive from suit-wearing, English-speaking men like Abbas, rather than judging them by their actual behavior.

Insanity.

And someone needs to remind our president that Egypt, the military colossus of the Arab world, is under new management. The Muslim Brotherhood may not end up in total control, but it will have a lot of influence, and they will never agree to anything other than the total destruction of Israel.

Meanwhile, not too far away, Iran marches on towards acquiring nuclear weapons and the missiles to put them on. It may we awhile yet before they have that capability, but given enough time, it'll happen.

It is true, as Charles Krauthammer points out, that the idea of returning to the 1967 borders has "been the working premise for negotiations since 2000. But no president had ever before publicly and explicitly endorsed the 1967 lines." This because they know that although it's all very nice in theory in practice it could only lead to disaster.

Elliot Abrams gets it right:

Obama's Empty Speech
In "balanced" terms, Obama treated Assad as a potential democrat, and proposed a non-plan for Israeli-Palestinian negotiations
National Review
by Elliot Abrams
May 19, 2011

(Obama's) idea was to put off Jerusalem and refugees, two impossible issues, and instead negotiate borders and security. But in fact, the border issues in the farther northern and southern areas are often simple, and most of the time the Israeli security fence is actually on or very near the 1949 armistice line, often mistakenly called "the 1967 border." The far harder matter is the Jerusalem area, and if Jerusalem is not solved, borders cannot be solved. It won't work. Nor will it work to solve security issues in isolation from others, such as whether Palestinians really accept the permanent existence of the Jewish state at all. Hamas's prime minister, Ismail Haniyeh, said last week he had "great hope of bringing to an end the Zionist project in Palestine," and Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas said, "We will never give up the right of return," by which he means flooding Israel with millions of Palestinian "refugees." In 2004 President Bush told Prime Minister Sharon that "an agreed, just, fair, and realistic framework for a solution to the Palestinian refugee issue as part of any final status agreement will need to be found through the establishment of a Palestinian state, and the settling of Palestinian refugees there, rather than in Israel." That Bush position, contained in a letter to Prime Minister Sharon, was then endorsed by both houses of Congress. President Obama's failure to restate it will rightly strike Israelis as a dangerous shift in position, and one can only hope that he clarifies the matter when he addresses AIPAC on Sunday.

The Israelis aren't going to give up what they call Judea and Samaria (the "West Bank") because they know it would put their very existence at risk. The Palestinians don't just want a homeland, they want to eradicate Israel. Everyone in the Middle East understands these two realities. Why can't Obama?

Posted by Tom at May 19, 2011 9:30 PM

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Tom,

You asked, "The Palestinians don't just want a homeland, they want to eradicate Israel. Everyone in the Middle East understands these two realities. Why can't Obama?"

I'm sure Obama understands that no Muslim people (radicals) want Israel to exist, and I have heard Obama say that Israel has a right to exist, and that those who say not are "hateful".

But many people, even many Jews, are tired of the stiff-necked obstinacy of both of Father Abraham's sons in the Middle East, the Semitic peoples. They each want their own theocracies to be supreme in the area. They keep the area in a turmoil, and Israel is more or less our satellite (not our ally, they are our dependant) that would cease to exist without the money and weapons we supply. We would still be a world power even if the modern Israel had not come into existence with the help of post-war institution of borders by Europeans, and the desire for Jews to move out.

Most Jews in Israel found their Biblical homeland had become Palestine when they came from Germany, Russia, etc. Most wished to remain in Europe or in the US, but no country would take the refugees from Nazi Germany, etc. because of prejudice against Jews. Only Mexico and other Latin Americans took some in, and their descendants live there to this day.

I'm old enough to remember the sin of how Jews were treated in this country, not allowed into certain universities, resorts, clubs, housing, neighborhoods, professions. I'm surprised that people refer to the US as a Judeo-Christian nation when so many still hold that prejudice and only wish to convert them as well as Catholics, etc.

We support too many dictatorships and radical theocracies in that area and some people are lashing out against them, especially in this economy where people act according to their hunger or lack of jobs or freedom.

Netanyahu is under pressure from the radicals in Israel to take over all of the former Jewish lands mentioned in the Bible. You see them, those who go to the Wall and stand there rocking back and forth the way Muslims do and worship it like an idol, with their black hats and their long side curls, those who won't take up arms, but insist that other "lesser" Israelites take up arms for them while they stay in the synagogues and study the Scriptures, and tell the others what God says. Their scripture is not the New Testament. They will never convert to Christianity, never get "perfected" like that lady Ms. Coulter would like, never give up Juadaism for Christianity any more than radical Muslims will ever convert.

Something has to be done, and it cannot remain a stalemate. Obama must have a plan B. It would be a miracle if it works, and like you say, he could end up like Jimmy Carter, but someone has to have the wherewithal to take the problem on. We can't continue to wage war over there, further hurting our economy. What the final outcome will be, only God knows, no matter what those who think they speak for Him say.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA


Posted by: Emilie at May 20, 2011 4:04 PM

Ok, "anonymous," since you're obviously one of those condescending, sanctimonious, liberals who thinks it's his duty to go around the Internet and make sure those stupid right-wingers use nicey nice language, and not point out the actual "factual inaccuracies" you allege I'm making, I've decided to delete your comments.

Posted by: Tom the Redhunter at May 27, 2011 8:50 PM

comment deleted because the commenter is a serial violator of this blog's comments policy, which is posted at upper right

Posted by: Anonymous at May 28, 2011 9:07 PM

Emilie, thanks again for stopping by.

Yes, Obama thinks Israel has a right to exist... sort of. But he sees them as the annoying neighbor who he wishes would just go away.

More to it, I don't think he really believes that Israel faces an existential threat, not just from an Iranian nuclear attack but from the Palestinians and, for that matter, just about all Arabs. He doesn't seem to get just how precarious Israeli security is.

I've stated my ideas for moving things forward many times in the past, and they basically involve pushing the Palestinians toward getting rid of extremism before negotiations begin.

Posted by: Tom the Redhunter at May 30, 2011 9:31 AM

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